Glenn Beck flips out...

**CoeburnCane** · July 23rd, 2009, 11:00 AM

does it affect people below the $250,000 dollar mark more so than those in upper income levels both as a % of the population and % of there net income (Big Time).

Spin it how you want man...I'll concede that lower income people use tobacco products more than higher income people, but it's an idiot tax. If you buy the product, you take on the tax burden associated with it. It's your choice. If people decide not to buy it, the tax doesn't ever get paid. If people decide to buy it knowing that there's a tax associated with it--it's their own **** fault, and I have no sympathy for those who do it, regardless of income.

**Counts** · July 23rd, 2009, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by CoeburnCane

Spin it how you want man...I'll concede that lower income people use tobacco products more than higher income people, but it's an idiot tax. If you buy the product, you take on the tax burden associated with it. It's your choice. If people decide not to buy it, the tax doesn't ever get paid. If people decide to buy it knowing that there's a tax associated with it--it's their own **** fault, and I have no sympathy for those who do it, regardless of income.

I am not spinning it LOL I agree with it being a "Volentery" tax but it is a tax non the less

If/When they start slapping the fat tax on soft drinks the presadent will have been set

**R13** · July 23rd, 2009, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by TheBeast

"I can make a firm pledge," he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."
He repeatedly vowed "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime."

This is one tax that disproportionately affects the poor, who are more likely to smoke or chew than the rich.

Government and private research has found that smoking rates are higher among people of low income.
A Gallup survey of 75,000 people last year fleshed out that conclusion. It found that 34 percent of respondents earning $6,000 to $12,000 were smokers, and the smoking rate consistently declined among people of higher income. Only 13 percent of people earning $90,000 or more were smokers.

President Barack Obama is leaving the door open to taxing health care benefits, something he campaigned hard against while running for president, according to senators who met with him Tuesday. Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., raised the issue with Obama during a private meeting with the president and other Democratic senators and later reported the president's position: [BLINK]"It's on the table. It's an option."[/BLINK]

You really don't understand economics at all do you?

We're really digging from the bottom of the barrel are we? So because lower income people smoke more, this whole tax hike was specifically aimed at them? Maybe it was aimed at all smokers and they happen to fall into it more than any else, just maybe. Looks like it would help them stop blowing all that money on already expensive habit if they're strapped for cash. Are these the same ones I get stuck in line behind while they buy a carton of cigs, 10 bucks in scratch-off tickets and 3 bucks in gas? They need to cut back. I personally don't care if a pack of cigs or a can of snuff is $20 each, if it were, there would be a lot less users and health problems.

Again, where is the direct quote from him...instead of from a senator who fully supports the idea and keeps proposing it. I guess he would say that. Until I hear him say he IS going to do it or see it in the plan, it's nothing.

**Biggin** · July 23rd, 2009, 03:57 PM

im a smoker, and it sucks they decide to tax us to death, but thats something you just have to deal with.

the reasoning behind it is a good one, trying to get people to quit smoking.

but when the increase taxes on soda, trans fats and sugar, i will revolt
ill start the first ESG militia and we will take Washington!

**R13** · July 23rd, 2009, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by Biggin

im a smoker, and it sucks they decide to tax us to death, but thats something you just have to deal with.

the reasoning behind it is a good one, trying to get people to quit smoking.

but when the increase taxes on soda, trans fats and sugar, i will revolt
ill start the first ESG militia and we will take Washington!

You smokers took one for the team! lol.

It helped with the cutting down, but the main reason behind it was to help pay for the new health plan...actually the hike was to extend coverage to 4 million kids.

President Obama signs children health care bill - Collegenews.

"Four million uninsured children will now join the current seven million already covered by the State Children?s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), which is one step towards fulfilling his universal health care coverage campaign promise.

Lawmakers will generate the $32.8 billion needed for the bill by raising the federal tobacco tax. The tax on cigarettes will go up about 62 cents to $1.01 a pack as a result."

I've heard of the soda tax, which would definitely affect this household. When I say that, I'm sure 3 cents per can isn't going to break us. I think a few states have done it already on their own(it was wine, soda and beer i think), which really helped them out. It's not a tax aimed at a class of people, that's ridiculous. He's trying to raise revenue without going back on that promise and he's hasn't. No one likes paying any kind of tax, but you have to in order to have anything.

They just need to legalize already, that would create so much revenue. Cali is already doing it with medical marijuana to help their deficit.

**sup-rbeast** · July 23rd, 2009, 09:48 PM

Really...what do ya expect? It's conservative tight-ass Glenn Beck...

**Biggin** · July 24th, 2009, 04:08 PM

oakland was recently the first city to put a tax on their medical marijuana

they expect the revenue to really help the city's enormous deficit.

we are making progress towards legalization, but its still gonna take some time

**R13** · July 24th, 2009, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by sup-rbeast

Really...what do ya expect? It's conservative tight-ass Glenn Beck...

Puzzles me how some soak him up, looks like we have some viewers on here...not a surprise though.

**R13** · July 30th, 2009, 05:15 PM

Beck better settle down with his antics, might lose his job if he keeps his **** up.

Called Obama a racist the other night, the same Obama whose mother was white and was raised by his white grandparents. I hope he keeps it up though, maybe get what he deserves.

Pundit Glenn Beck calls President Barack Obama a 'racist', Fox News Channel execs downplay comments